About that $80 grocery list.

One thing Mark and I have never seen eye to eye on is the family budget.

It's not that we have different priorities, or that one of us wants to spend more and the other wants us to save more, or that we have different assessments of our savings needs.  I think we're pretty well aligned on basic budgetary values.  It's just that we have never really agreed on how to keep track of everything.  

Every time we talked about it we wound up arguing about what goes in which category, what kind of a spreadsheet to set up, how to track how much each person is spending, whether to track spending with the credit card data or whether to use cash for some categories, whether we should be allowed to borrow from one category to make up for an excess in another, whether to set priorities and buy things immediately or whether to defer buying things, whether just one of us should be in charge of the budget or whether to divide categories between ourselves… and we always ended extremely frustrated with each other because we seemed, um, unable to explain ourselves to each other.  At least, it was pretty obvious that my ideas didn't make any sense to him, and his didn't make any sense to me.

In other words, we have always had different ideas about how to engineer the budget apparatus.

(Look, couples are supposed to fight about money, right?  OK, well, this is how we do it.)

So we have avoided problems by not budgeting at all.  Believe it or not, this has mostly worked okay so far, but as our family grows it gets harder to meet yearly savings goals by the "save what's left at the end of the year" method.  

So.  Budgeting.

Somehow, I can only assume because Mark decided to be nice and do it close to my way, we have finally come up with a method that may work.  I say "may" because we haven't actually saved any money with it yet.  But it (a) makes sense to me and (b) is not odious to Mark, which is better than most of the plans either of us ever came up with before.

Here is what we are doing (I think).

First, we agree to pay for absolutely everything we can with credit cards.  (We pay them off in full each month.)  That makes data that's easy to download, as do personal checks, the next choice.   Cash is a last resort, and we will each try to limit our cash withdrawals to $50/month. 

Mark keeps the "official" record of the budget, including dividing things up into categories.  But we decided to design the categories for easy categorization of expenditures based on the information in the credit card statement.  So we have a "clothing" category and a "groceries" category.  But we also have a "Target" category and a "Walgreens or Walmart" category.  Why?  Because I buy household goods AND groceries AND clothes AND other stuff at places like Target, and if I do this all in one trip it shows up on the credit card statement as "Target."  Why should Mark worry about dividing up a single trip to Target into all the categories?  Let's just set a spending limit at Target and be done with it.   We can move money from one category to another if we happen to have the information, but we also can just leave it at that and not worry about it.  The point is to try to cap our overall spending, the categories are only guidelines.

I am in charge of deciding how to spend some of the categories, and Mark is in charge of deciding how to spend others.  I am in charge of clothes, but Mark is in charge of "outdoor gear" (skis, winter coats).  I am in charge of household goods, but Mark is in charge of hardware.  And I am in charge of the grocery budget, because I make the lists, even though Mark does the shopping.  

So anyway, I hadn't been tracking grocery expenditures this month, and just today I sat down and looked at the credit card statements and realized that if we are really going to stay within the month's budget, we only have $80 to spend for groceries this week, which is about half what we usually spend and two-thirds what we figure we ought to spend.    Okay then!

Fortunately, the freezer and pantry are really well stocked right now, so I decided to plan only four dinners and one lunch.  We'll have leftovers or make do with what we've got (e.g., scrambled eggs and toast) the rest of the time.   I also deferred non-essential restocking until the following week — even though we ate the last of the wild rice this week, we don't need to buy more just yet.

Meal 1:   chicken lasagna (I already have everything except ricotta cheese, and I could use cottage cheese if I had to), green salad, stir-fried vegetables.

Meal 2:  taco soup (I only have to buy one can of beans, one can of hominy, one can of Ro-Tel tomatoes, and the seasoning packets), fried tortilla strips, green salad again.

Meal 3:  black beans and rice with cooked greens (I only have to buy parsley and rice).

Meal 4:  salmon patties, tri-color succotash (I only have to buy lima beans) and okra.

One lunch:  a big batch of tabouli (OK, I have to buy lemons, tomatoes, parsley, and cucumbers, but hey, I have some mint left over from this past week…)
 
So my list looks like this:

1 green pepper
1 cucumber
2 parsley bunches
1 head lettuce 
2 tomatoes
2 lemons
1 bag frozen lima beans
1 envelope ranch dressing mix
1 envelope taco seasoning mix
1 can hominy
1 can pinto beans
1 bag brown rice
5 lbs whole wheat flour
1 canister iodized salt
Enough fruit for a week (Mark's choice — he can decide when he sees the produce section)
and, if there's still room left in the budget,

15 oz ricotta cheese
1 bottle red wine vinegar
1 can Ro-Tel diced tomatoes with chilies
I showed the list to Mark and he thought about it and added to the bottom of the list "Chocolate if in budget."  

"OK, but you're not allowed to buy chocolate and not buy my ricotta cheese."

"D'oh!"

I will let you know tomorrow whether we managed to bring it in under $80.  (We go through a LOT of fruit.)

Comments

10 responses to “About that $80 grocery list.”

  1. Very interesting! Dan likes spreadsheets, but not nearly as much as I do, so I get to play with my crazy, detailed spreadsheets for budgeting without those issues. But I can definitely see two engineers butting heads like that.
    Does your $160/wk of normal grocery spending include all food, or just grocery stores? I only budget $225/mo for groceries during CSA season, but I have another $300/mo for the CSA (veggies and fruit), the milk farmer, you-pick fruit, and farmers’ market bulk veggies.

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    I’m so with you on the see-how-it-goes non-budgeting. Occasionally I get a budgeting flip though and one of the things I did was to do several accounts, which I suppose is like a really complicated way of doing that envelope system. We have a bill-pay account where we transfer a set amount every month and then let it do its own thing, our “regular” account that we use for most stuff, and our “food account”. So we actually have two cards each. The food account is for groceries and household items since, as you mentioned, they are usually purchased at the same place. When I made a budget of where our money usually went I just added the monthly average for food and housekeeping supplies together. (For the record it is 4100 Danish kroner per month = ca. $780, which sounds obscene for two people and no kids compared to you guys but the cost of living here is really hard to compare to the US, and the dollar is weak right now.) Anyway, I really like this system with two cards, although my husband griped at the beginning. If I end up buying some large-ish non-food item at a supermarket while also buying groceries I just transfer the amount from our regular account when I get home (these are debit, not credit cards).

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  3. Rebekka, I like “that envelope system” but it was one of the things I could never convince Mark to do. I suggested multiple accounts some time ago, or at least multiple virtual accounts, and it turned out that it was full of obvious flaws and illogical, unnecessary machinations that I had never noticed. What do you know.
    Amy, the $160/ week or so that we have been spending at the grocery store doesn’t count the beef and pork we buy from a local farmer (a quarter-beef and a half-hog together will last us well over a year, although eventually we run out of bacon), and it doesn’t count dairy orders including whole chickens, milk, eggs, and some (not all) of our cheese.
    That also doesn’t include most non-food grocery items (paper towels, cough drops and such), because we buy all that stuff quarterly, and usually at Walmart. We also stock the pantry with things like canned fish, brown rice, or granola bars on the WM trip.
    It’s important to me to have high-quality and humanely raised meat, eggs, and milk, and lots of fresh vegetables and fruit — that’s where I want to pay a premium (and do). I like to save money on garbage bags, ketchup, and coffee filters.

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  4. First, we agree to pay for absolutely everything we can with credit cards.
    The anti-Dave Ramsey plan!

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  5. Heh. If you never carry a balance, there’s no reason not to use them.

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  6. We do all our spending on credit card and pay off each month as well. I will say that we probably spend more using credit cards than we would with a strict cash limit, but as we stay within our means I guess we’re not excessive.
    Back in the early days of our marriage, when we were truly hard up, we had a very strict weekly groceries budget, and we had no reserves either of cash or food. I was talking with a friend (whose household income was double ours) and mentioned that our grocery budget was $60/wk, firm. The next week she blithely tells me, “Oh, I only have $25 for groceries this week!” Turns out she was planning around eating down their immense food reserves (including frozen milk, ugh), and planned on using that $25 for things like ketchup and chile powder.

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  7. We’re fortunate to have a huge pantry with two chest freezers, which lets us buy lots of things in bulk and stock up. It has occurred to me that I might successfully reduce our grocery bill by periodically declaring a “buy nothing week” and consuming only what’s in our pantry.
    Yes, we did have to buy that stuff at some point, and will restock. But when you do that, and eliminate a trip to the store, you also eliminate all impulse purchases, and you force yourself to plan meals around what you have (e.g. frozen collard greens, tuna) rather than what you’d like to have (e.g. proscuitto, arugula.)

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  8. I think disciplined people could do the all-credit-card approach and it does make things easier to track. We’ve gone nearly all-cash for the past year and it does save us money because I avoid buying extras if I’m limited by the cash I’ve got. When I tried budgeting with credit cards in the past, I found it difficult because paying was separating by a month from the purchasing, and the delay goofed me up, especially when I got behind downloading accounts and categorizing things. For us, I’m not convinced that the 1-2% back on credit cards is more than the amount we save by using cash. I do use credit cards on big purchases (most recently tuition and a car repair) then pay it off right away to take advantage of the cash back and convenience.
    Our direct-from-farmer money also includes our annual 1/4 cow. How much bacon is on a 1/2 hog? We don’t really eat pork chops, but my parents do and I bet we could split a hog that way and keep the bacon and ham.

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  9. The answer to how much bacon is on a half hog: not nearly enough.
    WikiAnswers says it’s 15% of carcass (hanging) weight. I don’t remember how much hanging weight our last hog was.
    We can order the pig custom cut; I prefer, for instance, to have fewer roasts and more pork “steaks” and sausage. This time around I’m going to see if they can do back bacon, thin sliced, to increase our bacon-to-roast percentage.
    We get pork delivered in November and I never have any bacon left for BLTs by the time tomatoes are nice in July. 😦 Perhaps if I get more link sausage this year, and bury some bacon in the deep freeze, I will be able to eat locavore BLTs next summer.

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  10. Are you opposed to getting bacon via the dairy guy while you have other pork still in the freezer? We’ve really liked the bacon and wieners we’ve bought from them so far. I think buying pork by the piece makes more sense than a whole/half hog, although we get whole chickens and 1/4 beef. Actually, I need to go fill out our beef order form — thanks for the reminder.

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